Legislature(1999 - 2000)

01/20/2000 01:10 PM House TRA

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      HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                  January 20, 2000                                                                                              
                     1:10 p.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andrew Halcro, Chairman                                                                                          
Representative Beverly Masek                                                                                                    
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative John Cowdery                                                                                                     
Representative Allen Kemplen                                                                                                    
Representative Albert Kookesh                                                                                                   
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 59                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to the motor fuel tax; and providing for an                                                                    
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  59                                                                                                                    
SHORT TITLE: MOTOR FUEL TAX                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                                                                           
 1/22/99        67     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                                                                   
 1/22/99        67     (H)  TRA, FIN                                                                                            
 1/22/99        67     (H)  2 FISCAL NOTES (REV, DOT)                                                                           
 1/22/99        67     (H)  GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                                                                       
 1/20/00               (H)  TRA AT  1:00 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS POSHARD, Legislative Liaison/Special Assistant                                                                           
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
3132 Channel Drive                                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska 99801-7898                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 59.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN RITCHIE                                                                                                                   
Alaska Municipal League                                                                                                         
217 2nd Street                                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 59.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
FRANK DILLON, Executive Vice President                                                                                          
Alaska Trucking Association                                                                                                     
3443 Minnesota Drive                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 59.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ROBYNN J. WILSON, Revenue Auditor                                                                                               
Income & Excise Audit Division                                                                                                  
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
550 West 7th Avenue, Suite 500                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions regarding off-road refunds                                                               
and exemptions.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 00-2, SIDE A                                                                                                               
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ANDREW HALCRO called the House Transportation Standing                                                                 
Committee meeting to order at 1:10 p.m.  Members present at the                                                                 
call to order were Representatives Halcro, Hudson, Kookesh and                                                                  
Kohring.  Representatives Cowdery, Kemplen and Masek arrived as the                                                             
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 59 - MOTOR FUEL TAX                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO announced the first and only order of business as                                                               
House Bill 59, "An Act relating to the motor fuel tax; and                                                                      
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0059                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS POSHARD, Legislative Liaison/Special Assistant, Office of                                                                
the Commissioner, Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                              
[DOT/PF], came before the committee to present the bill.  He                                                                    
explained HB 59 was one of a package of bills that was introduced                                                               
by the Governor last year as part of a long-range financial plan.                                                               
The bill takes a user-pays approach towards highway construction                                                                
and maintenance funding.  It takes the current tax rate of 8 cents                                                              
per gallon and increases it to 17 cents per gallon.  Alaska's                                                                   
current rate of 8 cents per gallon is the lowest in the nation; it                                                              
hasn't increased since 1961.  Mr. Poshard cited that tax rates per                                                              
gallon across the nation range from the lowest at 8 cents in Alaska                                                             
to the highest at 35.8 cents in Hawaii.  If this tax increase                                                                   
should pass, he said, Alaska would be 45th in the nation.  He noted                                                             
that each increase per cent generates approximately $2.9 million.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD further stated that the need for this bill stems from                                                               
the [federal] Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century                                                                    
[TEA-21].  When the Act was passed, the state's general fund match                                                              
requirement went up substantially - from around $190 to $200                                                                    
million per year to around $350 to $400 million per year.  The                                                                  
state's match need went up as well - from around $25 to $30 million                                                             
to $50.6 [million].  This year, it should be around $48 to $49                                                                  
million.  The bill, therefore, is a way to raise revenues to pay                                                                
for the state's match, and to continue to construct adequate                                                                    
transportation facilities.  If there is anything left over in the                                                               
account the way the bill reads, the secondary use would be for                                                                  
maintenance.  The department has a sizable deferred maintenance                                                                 
list and its general fund maintenance dollars have been cut                                                                     
annually.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0377                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO stated he agrees to some extent with Mr. Poshard's                                                              
comment in relation to the tax being a user-pays [approach], but he                                                             
wonders how it could be justified to those who pay for the tax at                                                               
the pump when some of it would go to support the ferry system.  In                                                              
that case, it's not really a user-pays [approach].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied the Marine Highway System is part of the                                                                    
state's capital budget every year.  There is no question that this                                                              
money would - potentially - pay the state's match for those types                                                               
of projects.  Furthermore, the Federal Highway Administration                                                                   
recognizes the marine highway - the lifeline of transportation in                                                               
Southeast Alaska - as part of the National Highway System.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0475                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked Mr. Poshard whether he has looked at the fact                                                             
that Alaskans pay anywhere from 10 cents to 25 cents per gallon                                                                 
more than other states.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied he wouldn't want to elaborate on any theories                                                               
as to why that is true.  He believes, however, that the Department                                                              
of Law is openly investigating that issue now.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0566                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN RITCHIE, Alaska Municipal League [AML], came before the                                                                   
committee to testify.  He stated the highest priority of the AML                                                                
and the Alaska Conference of Mayors is to assist the state in                                                                   
developing a long-range fiscal plan that involves municipalities,                                                               
and part of that plan is a gas tax.  The AML doesn't have a                                                                     
position on how high the gas tax ought to be, but it does have a                                                                
position on how the proceeds of the tax should be used.  According                                                              
to examples from around the nation,  when the people know how the                                                               
revenues generated from a tax will be used and they approve of that                                                             
use, they are much more likely to approve a tax increase.  He cited                                                             
an example in Sitka, whereby three-quarters of the people approved                                                              
a recent sales tax increase because they were told what the                                                                     
revenues generated would be used for, and because it included a                                                                 
sunset.  In the case of the gas tax, Alaska is one of a few states                                                              
that doesn't share [the revenues from] the gas tax with its                                                                     
municipalities, when 43.5 percent of the lane miles are municipal.                                                              
Mr. Ritchie further noted that, when a tax payer goes to a gas                                                                  
pump, that tax payer is burning gas partly on municipal and state                                                               
roads.  The public, however, considers the roads as one system.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0775                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COWDERY asked Mr. Ritchie what would be wrong                                                               
with each community putting a sales tax on gasoline to fit their                                                                
needs?  That approach seems more equitable and democratic.  The                                                                 
recent initiative on capping the property tax gives him                                                                         
"heartburn," for he has communities that don't have any property                                                                
tax or a tax base.  He thinks it should be a local issue, which is                                                              
similar to his opinion on the gas tax.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITCHIE replied the AML hardly agrees on the issue of a tax                                                                 
cap.  The AML believes it is a local issue.  Most of the                                                                        
communities in the state have a tax cap or revenue cap already in                                                               
place.  He cited Sitka has a six mill property tax cap by charter,                                                              
but they don't want other parts of the state to tell them how to                                                                
assess their system.  In the case of a gas tax, very few states                                                                 
have a gas tax that varies by municipality because in theory there                                                              
could be a variety of different tax systems all linked by the same                                                              
road.  From a long-range standpoint, he suggested looking at a                                                                  
uniform gas [tax].                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0905                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON asked whether there is any information                                                               
on the background of the gas tax, especially as it relates to each                                                              
municipality.  He was wondering whether there is anything in                                                                    
statute relating to this issue.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied he doesn't have any background information with                                                             
him.  He does know that the gas tax hasn't changed since 1961, but                                                              
he can't profess to know the background of when it was established.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0954                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated it would be very important to look at                                                              
the background in terms of why it is a uniform tax levied by the                                                                
state rather than by each community.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0998                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY noted not every community [in the state] has                                                             
a road system.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON replied they all have at least a mile of                                                                  
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1017                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked Mr. Ritchie whether his earlier testimony                                                                 
indicated that 43.5 percent of the gas tax should be shared with                                                                
local governments, since 43.5 percent of the lane miles are                                                                     
municipal.  He's not sure how Mr. Ritchie can take a position like                                                              
that when both state and federal dollars have to be figured for                                                                 
local infrastructure.  He cited the $18 million new overpass in his                                                             
legislative district benefits the Municipality of Anchorage, yet                                                                
his property taxes have not increased.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITCHIE replied it is just a factual basis to start from.  The                                                              
AML and the Conference of Mayors looked at the overall concept of                                                               
revenue sharing, and a gas tax would be part of that.  He cited it                                                              
started at $2,500 per mile and is now down to $250 per mile.  This                                                              
gas tax, he said, would make a great deal of sense in creating a                                                                
new revenue sharing program rather than just pulling revenues out                                                               
of the general fund.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1146                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO stated part of his mill rate goes toward the                                                                    
Anchorage Road Service Area.  He asked Mr. Ritchie whether that is                                                              
consistent with communities throughout the state that have property                                                             
taxes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITCHIE replied, "Yes."  That is the only way roads are                                                                     
maintained right now.  In the past, the state indirectly shared                                                                 
[revenues from] the gas tax through a small road revenue sharing                                                                
program.  In essence, a little bit of state money now goes towards                                                              
maintaining state roads, which is why the AML feels that the public                                                             
would be more accepting of a gas tax that would maintain the entire                                                             
[road] system.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1226                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO referred to page 4, lines 1-4, of the bill, and                                                                 
noted that the language gives DOT/PF the latitude to use the funds                                                              
from everything to surveys, administration and related matters.  He                                                             
is concerned that the money from the gas tax might not go into                                                                  
maintenance.  He agrees that the people would accept an increase if                                                             
they specifically knew it would go towards maintaining state and                                                                
municipal roads.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITCHIE replied the AML would like to discuss that language.                                                                
He noted that there is a debate in the state about dedicating                                                                   
funds, and the AML feels that the public has become more                                                                        
sophisticated about their local and state governments.  He further                                                              
noted that the tax measures that fail usually don't give the public                                                             
a sense of need.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1335                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO referred to page 3, lines 28-31, of the bill, and                                                               
noted that DOT/PF would first use the funds for matching                                                                        
federal-aid highway money for planning, design and construction,                                                                
while road paving and deferred maintenance projects would be                                                                    
secondary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITCHIE replied, when the public views the gas tax, they                                                                    
probably just imagine a good road to drive on, which includes                                                                   
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1406                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
FRANK DILLON, Executive Vice President, Alaska Trucking                                                                         
Association, testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  The                                                                  
trucking industry - conceptually - supports an increase in the gas                                                              
tax.  However, the details in HB 59 - as drafted - are currently                                                                
unacceptable.  First of all, matching federal funds are funds that                                                              
have been collected from motor fuel users.  In Alaska, he cited                                                                 
each tractor-trailer contributes about $6,400 a year to the state                                                               
and federal governments.  All of the money that is sent to the                                                                  
federal government comes back to the state several times over the                                                               
amount for a variety of reasons:  the alignment of the state's                                                                  
congressional delegation, the uniqueness of the state, and the                                                                  
ability of the state to carry that argument forward through the                                                                 
continued funding formulas.  But, when talking about getting more                                                               
matching money by raising taxes, that also means raising local or                                                               
state taxes in order to match what somebody has already paid.  It's                                                             
all tax money.  The industry is not objecting to raising the fuel                                                               
tax; the industry is objecting to using it for matching federal                                                                 
funds instead of using it for maintenance.  He noted that the                                                                   
Deferred Maintenance Task Force identified several hundred million                                                              
dollars worth of highway deficiencies that have immediate safety                                                                
implications, but there is no real way to address it with federal                                                               
funding because of the constraints and hoops placed on the funds                                                                
when they are given back to the state.  In addition, he cannot say                                                              
that the industry would support a direct revenue sharing concept                                                                
that Mr. Ritchie put forward in his testimony; it seems that people                                                             
are already circling the money as if it was a done deal.  He                                                                    
reiterated that the industry is concerned about how the revenues                                                                
would be spent.  The focus, he further reiterated, should be on                                                                 
maintenance and repair work to enhance safety and longevity of an                                                               
existing roadway on an existing right-of-way.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1605                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO stated he hears complaints about general fund                                                                   
dollars being available only for maintenance; federal highway funds                                                             
are for new roads, not to repair old ones.  He wonders why the                                                                  
state wouldn't want to seize an increase in the gas tax as an                                                                   
opportunity to make maintenance the primary objective instead of as                                                             
an opportunity to match more federal funds to design and build more                                                             
roads.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied HB 59 was drafted and conceived shortly after                                                               
TEA-21, and during a time when the legislature had committed to                                                                 
cutting general fund dollars.  The bill was seen, therefore, as a                                                               
mechanism to raise enough capital to match an extra $24 million, of                                                             
which, the legislature went ahead and appropriated in order not to                                                              
turn back federal dollars.  The department is certainly willing to                                                              
sit down and discuss the issue of where the money should go; it is                                                              
a policy call.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD further stated, in response to a concern expressed                                                                  
earlier by Representative Hudson regarding a state versus local                                                                 
tax, there are areas in the state that don't have a local                                                                       
government to collect the gas tax, yet there are major highways                                                                 
that run through them.  He called it an equity issue.  Furthermore,                                                             
there is some efficiency in having the Department of Revenue                                                                    
collect the gas tax on a statewide basis rather than having the                                                                 
department collect it from each individual gas station.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1786                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked Mr. Poshard whether the department would have                                                             
a problem with the bill being amended to limit the use of the funds                                                             
generated to maintenance between the rights-of-way or to ferries                                                                
and ferry terminals.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied he doesn't want to commit the commissioner to                                                               
one thing or another; he would talk to him about it.  He suspects                                                               
that the department would be willing to amend the language to                                                                   
specifically say what the money would be used for.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1821                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO referred to page 4, lines 6-10, of the bill, and                                                                
noted that the language "if" versus "when" leaves the department                                                                
with a lot of latitude for projects by contract.  He would like to                                                              
see the entire paragraph deleted, otherwise the department can make                                                             
an arbitrary decision on when to contract.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied most of the language that Chairman Halcro is                                                                
referring to is in existing statute.  The department chose not to                                                               
bother changing it when drafting the bill.  He noted that the                                                                   
department contracts out over 50 percent of its design work, and                                                                
that the design engineers are performing as project managers.  He                                                               
further noted that, when TEA-21 passed, the workload for the                                                                    
department nearly doubled, yet the department received only one PCN                                                             
[Position Control Number].  As a result, the department has chosen                                                              
to contract-out.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1945                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO stated, during the summer, when the overpass at                                                                 
Minnesota and International Airport Roads was being constructed, he                                                             
drove by at 1:00 p.m. and counted seven orange DOT/PF pickup trucks                                                             
parked in a row, yet the project was being done by a private                                                                    
contractor.  It concerns him that seven department workers or more,                                                             
depending on how many were in each truck, were needed to "look over                                                             
the contractor's shoulder."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied he can't comment on exactly what was occurring                                                              
that day; but from his experience there aren't routinely seven                                                                  
project managers on-site.  There are times when there might be the                                                              
project manager and the occasional inspector(s).  He set forth that                                                             
it could have been a day when DOT/PF management was touring and                                                                 
inspecting the project; after all, it was a pretty big project.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2017                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO referred to page 4, lines 21-22, of the bill, and                                                               
noted that the language identifies a refund due to specific users.                                                              
He asked Mr. Poshard to explain why a refund is given.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied that according to his understanding there is a                                                              
refund given for non-highway usage.  He cited ATVs [all terrain                                                                 
vehicles] and snowmobiles as examples.  There is no need to improve                                                             
the roads for those types of vehicles.  A refund, therefore, is to                                                              
provide relief for those users.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2069                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that the motor fuel tax is for                                                                     
vehicles driven on the highways.  It is not for stationary, diesel,                                                             
marine or aviation [engines].  Those users fall under a separate                                                                
regime.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO stated he understands that aircraft and watercraft                                                              
are not in this category, and asked whether or not ATVs and                                                                     
snowmobiles would receive a lower price.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ROBYNN J. WILSON, Revenue Auditor, Income & Excise Audit Division,                                                              
Department of Revenue, came before the committee to answer Chairman                                                             
Halcro's question.  She stated that most of the off-road refunds                                                                
apply to construction and mining equipment.  She cited bulldozers                                                               
and generators as examples.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2116                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked Ms. Wilson how that is determined.  For                                                                   
example, what if he purchased gas for a piece of mining equipment                                                               
at the pump?                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON replied the statute allows for the user to get a refund.                                                             
She explained that the user needs to file a claim for refund with                                                               
the Department of Revenue, provide documentation that the tax was                                                               
paid, and describe the type of equipment the fuel was used in.  She                                                             
also noted that the vehicles in areas of the state that don't                                                                   
require a license enjoy an off-road refund as well.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2155                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked Mr. Poshard whether that applies to                                                                       
communities under a certain population or under a certain amount of                                                             
road miles.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied he's not certain.  It's a question for the                                                                  
Division of Motor Vehicles [Department of Administration].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2175                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Mr. Poshard where the [refund] from 6                                                               
cents [a gallon] to 13 cents [a gallon] came from.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied that according to his recollection at the time                                                              
the bill was drafted the state was keeping 2 cents per gallon for                                                               
off-highway use doubling its keep to 4 cents, which is where that                                                               
figure came from.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Mr. Poshard whether it's a correlation                                                              
of what the state was doing before.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied yes, essentially.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said, "6 to 8 and 13 to 17."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied, "Correct."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2225                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked, How much does the state get back in fuel tax                                                             
refunds?                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER replied, from the audience, he doesn't have                                                                
that information with him; he will get it to him.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO said it doesn't seem very fair that some people are                                                             
exempt.  His constituents may or may not ever have the need to use                                                              
the Marine Highway System, yet they are paying a tax to fund it. He                                                             
asked, Why shouldn't somebody who lives in a community without                                                                  
roads not have to follow the same suit?                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2250                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALBERT KOOKESH asked, Why does somebody like him                                                                 
have to pay the motor fuel tax, when he's never going to drive on                                                               
the roads in Anchorage or Fairbanks?  It's the same correlation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2267                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated it's important to recognize the state                                                              
transportation system in its entirety.  Thousands of people get on                                                              
a ferry in Southeast Alaska and travel to Anchorage or Fairbanks.                                                               
It's important to remember that the Marine Highway System is part                                                               
of the blacktop; it just happens to move.  The state should,                                                                    
therefore, be looking at everybody who is expending gasoline and                                                                
driving on the roads when collecting taxes.  He reiterated the                                                                  
people who are getting on the ferries are driving vehicles, they                                                                
just happen to be on a shuttle to a highway.  He doesn't want the                                                               
committee to get too bogged down on trying to isolate what the                                                                  
monies can or cannot be used for.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2310                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked, If there are going to be exemptions, where                                                               
should they stop?                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON replied exemptions are for those who are not                                                              
essentially using the highways.  It's a correlational relationship                                                              
to the proportion of fuel being consumed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOOKESH said trying to piecemeal the Marine Highway                                                              
System only adds to the confusion.  It should be looked at as a                                                                 
statewide system rather than differentiating between users.  He                                                                 
said, "It's our system.  It really belongs to all of us.  And, if                                                               
I never drive on a[n] Anchorage or Fairbanks highway, it still                                                                  
belongs to me and I have to pay my share."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2360                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD noted that this issue is not only about where                                                                       
individuals drive, as Mr. Dillon would testify to, it's about                                                                   
moving goods efficiently.  This issue, he said, is about having                                                                 
trucks move efficiently from Anchorage to Fairbanks or from                                                                     
Anchorage to Glennallen, which is a very important part of the                                                                  
state's transportation system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2385                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO stated he agrees 100 percent with Mr. Poshard's                                                                 
comments, which explains his questions about exemptions - to ensure                                                             
that everybody shares fairly.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN HALCRO closed the meeting to public testimony.  He                                                                     
announced that the bill would be held over.  In the meantime, he                                                                
would engage in discussions with Mr. Poshard and the Department of                                                              
Transportation & Public Facilities to ensure that the maintenance                                                               
aspect is primary.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, Chairman                                                                  
Halcro adjourned the House Transportation Standing Committee                                                                    
meeting at 1:55 p.m.                                                                                                            

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